Fortunately, I did have some notes!

All are quarter-page illustrations. Bold text indicates the pic has been taken.

1. Potter
Description: Obligatory view of the potter at work. S/he is sitting at the foot-powered wheel, hands on the clay or pot on the wheel.
References: potter.jpg; potter3.jpg; potter41.jpg. Medieval illustrations of potters at foot-wheels are: potter_old.jpg; potter_old2.jpg; and a 'technical' view of the wheel is at oldwheel.jpg.

2. Wedging
Description: An apprentice wedges (kneads) a lump of clay on an old wooden table. Shelves above the table hold wooden and clay containers of crushed minerals. Measuring scoops rest on the containers and one is on the table.
Reference: wedge.jpg.

3. Pug Mill
Description: perspective view of a mule or horse powered pug mill. The animal is harnessed to a pole that turns a shaft projecting from a large wooden or stone tub.
Reference: pug_mill.jpg.

4. Kiln
Description: a cut-away view (perspective) of a kiln showing the fire (stoking) pit and the flue that leads underneath the floor of the kiln. Sides of kiln are stone, top of kiln is earth built on temporary framework of clay-coated branches or small beams.
References: Kiln.gif is the best model; additional details illustrated in kiln.jpg and kiln3.gif.

Where can I find these reference pics? I saw them neither in the mails I got nor on the ftp server...


Seems like it's always me who has to ask stupid questions...

I am sorry to hear about your grandmother.

I not sure where the pics are - perhaps they were lost in our recent troubles. In any case, I have posted them here:

http://www.geocities.com/sophia-tribad/ ... _pics.html

...and added links to the original post (above).

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That's a very big drink you have there, Sophia. Spinning pots must be hard, thirsty work! (And no wonder you know so much about it.)

Got them. Thanks.

I've uploaded some pots. Today or tomorrow I'll start on the pug mill.

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A rough sketch of the pug-mill at
http://www.helsinki.fi/~jamakkon/gallery/illustrations/pottery.html

I figured since there would not be too much weight on the beam, instead of a primitive wheel thingie, a simple sled would suffice. Another idea was to attach the beam directly to the collar, but that would seem cruel. My version lacks a kilometre of harness. As to hors.. ahem, mules, I am a newbie.

And the collar is the kind my grand father used back after the war: two curved pieces of wood attached with metal rings. Probably you have a different view on those, but I think these are doable. It's fantasy, after all.

The barrel is made of wood. It has iron bands as reinforcement. As I have not seen what takes place inside barrel, its anatomy is somewhat vague.

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Excellent, Juha!

We might get some screams of "heretics!" with the mule collar, but I like it.

If we go with the sled idea, you'll need to pave the area of the track so it doesn't grind a trench into the soil. On that note, a system just like the one you've illustrated (but with the sled weighted) was used to grind ores in 16th c Mexico.

You can lessen the cruelty of attaching the beam directly to the collar (or a "saddle") by using a counter-weight on the (slightly extended) short end of the beam...if balanced properly, the beam end on the mule's saddle or collar will be weightless.

The barrel is perfect. The interior anatomy consists of paddles or blades projecting horizontally from the post, like a primitive cake mixer or a rotary butter churn....none of that need show as it will be inside the barrel, but you might want to add some sort of horizontal supports near the opening at the top of the barrel to help hold the post vertical.

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Now the pugmill is inked.

The paving is kind of crude. The sled is not that heavy though. IMHO, a hammered (tamped?) ground or coarse gravel might do with a little maintenance.

http://www.helsinki.fi/~jamakkon/gallery/illustrations/pottery.html

I'll have a go at the kiln.

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Kiln sketched.

http://www.helsinki.fi/~jamakkon/gallery/illustrations/pottery.html

Problems: kiln3.gif shows fire arches, but I don't see what they are. Do the pots rest upon th ese arches while the flames surround the firing floor? There is no flue in the pictures, more like small vents in the packed earth covering the interior.

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I like that you've scaled back on the detail; very appropriate. Whereas the Lerenil illos had to evoke a sense of time and place, the pottery guild illustrations play a more technical role, and clean lines and simplicity are pluses.

The flames surround that pedestal that is the firing floor. The arches are there to keep pots from falling into the fire, but don't normally support the pots or any shelves.True - the top was temporary, so there would not be a permanent flue but rather openings made or closed with mud/clay to control the air flow.

The wood frame of the kiln's top will be mostly invisible - the beams will be covered with clay to protect them from the heat.

I really like the way the pug mill turned out.

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Brilliant, Juha!

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Kiln inked. Next: wedging.

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Wedging sketched. http://www.helsinki.fi/~jamakkon/gallery/illustrations/pottery.html

I'm going to start on the potter at the wheel.

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That is great! Nice attire, nice table, right amount of "clutter" - great!

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Potterer sketched.

Now that I look at it from distance, I think her legs/feet are too small.

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That wedging picture is just astonishing!

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Now the inking is done (and not particularly well).

I was hoping to do some pics for the Hodiri Camp, but at this point I have become very interested in algorithms for the rest of the Jan. The next deadline is pressing on.

http://www.helsinki.fi/~jamakkon/gallery/illustrations/pottery.html

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The project owes a great deal to your fina art, Juha.

Thanks for playing, and good luck with your algorithms!

Cut! And wrap!

Gentlemen, I think we have a nearly complete project. Now it is up to Peter....

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