On NET weight basis, remember also that women have proportionately different fat to muscle ratios, insofar as the muscle mass of a man of 150# will differ from a woman of 150# to a fairly significant degree, even if both are considered "lean".
I'd agree here. I'm even wondering if basing it strictly on lean muscle mass if the frame should be lighter than -10% on average.
I think a woman with "ideal" body weight is still going to be lighter than a man of the same height, even bearing in mind even at her "ideal" weight she will probably be in the 20% body fat range, while an "ideal" weight for a man is more in the 10% body fat range.
According to the National Institutes of Health, the recommended amount of body fat for women is between 20 and 21 percent. The average American woman has between 22 and 25 percent body fat, and a woman with a body fat percentage greater than 30 percent is considered obese. A younger, athletic woman may have a body fat percentage below 18 percent.
According to "Advanced Fitness Assessment and Exercise Prescription" by Vivian H. Heyward, the recommended body fat percentage for physically active adult males is between 5 to 15 percent for 18 to 34 year olds, 7 to 18 percent for 35 to 55 year olds, and 9 to 18 percent for men over 55.
So say we have an active man and woman, at an average body fat for an "active" person. The man will have 135 pounds of lean weight, the woman 120 pounds.
According to the below chart, an active average frame 5'8" Man should weigh 151 lbs, a 5'8" woman 143 lbs, so a man should be about 5-6% heavier.http://www.healthdiscovery.net/links/ca ... _women.htm
So men are both a bit heavier, AND have more muscle mass as a percentage of weight.
I'd think that modifying a female's frame by -2, as opposed to -3 might give more accurate weights, but a -2 in strength is probably warranted as well.
Although I still believe that AG should not be increased by a light frame.
In HM3 an average frame is 160 lbs - a light frame is 134 lbs, and a "scant" frame is 128 lbs. In all likleyhood, that scant framed person has very little muscle mass - which makes it tough to move quickly as they are so underweight. Not that a scant frame shold be a detriment to Agility, but it should not add either.
I think many look at a "massive" frame as something akin to an overweight NFL lineman. They may have a massive frame, but a lot of excess weight as well, which would hurt agility, but the frame and muscles by themselves do not impede agility, or speed either for that matter.
If you look at Usain Bolt, the worlds fastest man, he is 6'5", 207 lbs. This puts him in between an average and heavy frame in HM. If indeed the HM modifiers were accurate, he would not be as agile as some scanter framed individuals. If this were an unusual height/weight combination, that could be considered an oddity. However, Tyson Gay, the fastest US man, is 5'10" and 165 pounds, right at the average weight and average frame in HM.
The next best time in the 100 meters from a US sprinter is from Maurice Green, who is 5'9" and 180 lbs, whcih would put his frame somewhere between massive and heavy.
And back to women being slower - the fasted woman's time in the 100 meters is about 10% slower than the mens, Bolt's 9.58 compared to Griffith-Joyner's 10.49 seconds.