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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:08 am 
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Bought my copy yesterday, but so far only scrolled over it.
Nice first impression, though.

Thumbs up for getting this out!
It has been a long wait since Jeremy made our mouths water while talking about it in a pub in London. ;-)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:00 am 
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Bought my copy today. Having trouble trying to unzip the file using Winzip and Jzip. HELP.....


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:32 am 
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rob wrote:
Bought my copy today. Having trouble trying to unzip the file using Winzip and Jzip. HELP.....


Bought mine already soon as it was published, but haven't (yet) been able to begin seriously trying to unpack the zip file. The usual methods have all been tried, however. The previous files bought from Kelestia have all opened without any trouble.

I'm using a Macbook with osx 10.5.8


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:56 pm 
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Hi guys

Happy to help with any issues you have - but this isn't Kelestia.com customer service site; so if anyone has any issues, please contact us using the "Contact" form on KP, or by leaving a message with details of any issues on the KP Customer Service forums. I can't guarantee to be watching this site daily.

I'm sure we will get it sorted - many people have successfully downloaded these files. One thing to check - make sure you aren't using a Download Manager, as they can damage the files during download.

We allow people to download their files as many times as they wish, so re-downloading isn't an issue.

Cheers

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:25 pm 
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rob wrote:
Bought my copy today. Having trouble trying to unzip the file using Winzip and Jzip. HELP.....


Rob

I've checked your "Files" list in your account on Kelestia.com, and it indicates you haven't had a full successful download. It looks like your connection cut out before the download was completed; which is why you can't open the ZIP file...

Please login to Kelestia.com, go to "My Account" - "Files" and redownload. The full file is 29.6MB.

If you have any further issues, we have alternative means of getting the file to you, so contact me - jeremy@kelestia.com

Cheers and thanks

Jeremy


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:30 pm 
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Thank you! This got sorted out - my file was also cut short previously so that's why it could not be unzipped. Excellent service - and the first glance on the module looks really good too! :D


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:56 am 
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My issue was with the evil broadband provider being extremely slow yesterday. Funny thing is I work for the idiots. Give me another 15 months....


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:59 am 
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Finally got to looking at Venarive, and WOW! Robin would be proud of this work. Kelestia's print has gotten much easier to read, the art work is best so far, are the maps. If you haven't gotten this work yet, do so. IT IS WORTH THE MONEY!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:58 am 
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Finally got my copy, and I have to add my plaudits. I only had time for a skim before heading to work, but found myself thinking that it could well be the finest Harn product released so far (with the possible exception of the base HarnWorld module).

I'm looking forward to reading it more thoroughly, but there are already several new cultures I want to explore in-game. Love the variant religions as well.

Artwork's impressive, too, and the map... well, I had a sneak peek at HarnCon Leeds, so I already knew that was a winner.

Fantastic job by all concerned - Kelestia can take huge pride in this.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:15 pm 
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Great to hear. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:38 am 
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I love the prices and wage system.
Though I know it is variable, based on numbers of people etc.
Are there any baseline income for nobles of different titles?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:47 pm 
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I love the part about incomes and trade.

And I know it is varied upon how many live in each area etc.
But are there any base about how much a Noble of different status earn?
My next game may involve nobles/highranking people in Chelemby, leaders of one or more clan.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:20 am 
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Hi, kjetilkverndokken,

Incomes - especially when it comes to the nobility - are complicated, I'm afraid.

The nobility are mostly landholders, and they don't have an "income" as we tend to think of it today. Take a "typical" Chelembian clanhead:

- He and his clansfolk live partly on the nalârd, partly at their city lârhus and perhaps partly travelling arouns several kantehusen. The clan income consists of what they grow on the nalârd, profits of trade and crafting done in the lârhusen.

- All that income is not the valhakar's; it's the clan's. Those who work the clan lands and craft for the clan franchises are paid, either in kind (i.e. they live in the clanhouses, eating what the clan grows and clothed in what the clan weaves) or maybe in cash.

- Whatever is left 'belongs' to the valhakar, although even this is a bit misleading, since it really 'belongs' to the clan - the valhakar just has the ultimate say about how any of the clan's goods and money are used.

So, it's really very, very variable. It varies with the clan's holdings, the quality of the harvest, the luck they have in trade and the number of "productive" clan members they have.

Even the upkeep costs are not usually spent in cash. Take a manor knight on Hârn. I estimate that his upkeep - without warhorse (which is extra) - to be around 2,700d per year. But that's not generally cash: it's food, cloth or clothing, fuel, lighting and housing for himself, a squire, 3 or so servants, feed and equipment for 3 horses (a hunter and 2 riding horses) and purchase and upkeep of his weapons, armour and so on. A lot of this might well come from his own estates - wool to weave, corn to make bread and ale, milk for the dairy, venison from the hunt, firewood from the woods, and so on. Other bits would probably be bought - armour and weapons, the finest clothing or cloth, luxury food for a feast and so on.

Oh, and his warhorse could cost an extra 600-900d per year to feed, keep and equip on top of that (grain, fruit and hay, firewood in deep winter and a groom, plus tack and caparisons, blankets, nets, troughs, buckets and so on).

Does that give you some outline idea?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:07 am 
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Thanks :)

Btw - Would Hârn Manor be of use in a Chelemby setting, or is the notions in that book very different from Chelembians way of doing things?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:31 am 
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Balesir wrote:
Hi, kjetilkverndokken,

Incomes - especially when it comes to the nobility - are complicated, I'm afraid.


Nah. It's easy. NET income is always the same - zero. Or slightly negative.

Any excess is quickly spent on horses, armor, gambling, or luxuries. Any deficit just means that the clothes will be a little threadbare around the household. What we would call 'fiscal prudence' they would call 'taking the bread from the mouths of the poor (i.e. the craftsmen, weavers, etc.) and 'breaking the laws of hospitality'. So if you are just wondering how to handle a party of noble PCs, just assume that all they get from the clan holdings is a lot of grief, plus their basic expenses paid.


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