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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:09 pm 
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Maybe it's old news but just in case it's not...

I thought my stuff disappeared when Geocities folded up, but look what I found while randomly doing a Google search for some barely remembered tidbit from my Peoni's Tear campaign:

http://www.geocities.ws/chybisa/

No, I'm not "back;" I just thought I would pop in and share that with you.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:41 pm 
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Cool!

Have you spoke with Leitchy about the possibility of finding a permanent home for this excellent material on lythia.com? If not, may I suggest it? This is great stuff, and it would be great to have it archived here, IMHO.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:12 pm 
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Any chance of linking with Lythia.Com?


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No, I'm not "back;" I just thought I would pop in and share that with you
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Aww, shame; but thank-you!!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:07 am 
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Hiya Sophia :)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:00 am 
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The campaign link appears broken, and I was only just thinking about that game recently and how I might be able to grab some idea's.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:24 pm 
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Cool!

Have you spoke with Leitchy about the possibility of finding a permanent home for this excellent material on lythia.com? If not, may I suggest it? This is great stuff, and it would be great to have it archived here, IMHO.


In 2005 I put all my Harn materials away (indeed, all gaming) and was absent from these forums. After I picked it up again late last year, Sophia posted this. I won't lie, I was incredibly saddened - of all the members of the Harn community that helped me learn this game Sophia stands out as the most kind, generous, and gracious with her time.

I have taken it upon myself to create a PDF version of her site, using the word templates off lythia.com, for my own use. They aren't very pretty because I'm not very good at layout, but I wanted to make sure I had her information secure against the inevitable loss of the geocities pages. I will send her a PM asking if she would like a copy and if she would mind me sending it to Peter for inclusion in the fannon library but as she might not be getting email notifications I ask anyone who has a direct line to her to do it on my behalf as well.

Also, I have almost all the content in Word for editing as I am capable of (only formatting some the articles with tables). Should anyone with the skills like to produce a fannon article of the usual high quality, assuming her permission, I would be happy to turn over the raw data or work with them to get this posted (I'd be happy to do the work with the software I have if someone's willing to walk me through).

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zrayaan,

If that works out, that would be awesome.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:02 pm 
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I have, in the past, attempted to contact both Sophia Triband and Rebecca Downey (separately) with regards to making their material available on lythia.com. Unfortunately, I've not had much success, although Rebecca did contact me once. I asked a followup question of her specifically about getting hold of the PaxTharda material but she didn't reply. Even if I got their original sites and simply made the material available as-is, that would be something for the whole community. But sometimes we just have to accept that we can't have everything...

I hope others have better luck than I. But the crux of the issue is one of copyright; both ladies need to tell me how they wish the copyright notices on their material to look. I will not put up any material that doesn't address their rights, or the rights of Robin's estate, correctly. But it's up to them; I can't make that decision for them.

So before I can make their material available, I need two things; the material itself in whatever form, and what they wish to do about copyright of the material.

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Thanks very much for the kind words, Konnel. I'm flattered by them, as well as the continued interest by you and others in my humble contributions to the forum and the ever growing body of fanon.

I would be very happy to have my material hosted here. Obviously, much of it is derived from Robin's work so I hesitate to lay claim to rights on anything that should be attributed to him. Any and all of my original work on which I do have copyrights I hereby give permissions to host & publish here in whatever format deemed suitable by the site owner with necessary edits at his discretion. Copyright attribution should be to Sophia Tribad (note the spelling correction).

I believe most if not all of the material is available at the site linked in the post at the top of this thread. I'll look through my files to see what else I may have and make them available if and when found.

Thanks again, friends, for the very kind words.

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Brilliant! Thanks Sophia. We'll certainly do our best to do justice to your work.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:25 pm 
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Ohai! Thanks for posting Sophia! :)

This was written offline and Leitchy beat me. But here are some thoughts.

As I mentioned, transferring your site to PDf was just for my purposes but I'll continue with an eye on uploading it then. If you sign up for email notification you'll know when that, at least, is finished and you can download it and (if anything) give it your blessing. My intention is to have as an invisible footprint as reformatting will allow; using the letter template off lythia.com the word doc is already 41 pages and I have yet to add the 'Economic' pages or the distance/time tables - it could easily be turned into a Chybisa Expanded article.

One of the reasons I never tried my hand at writing fannon is that I am not sure where the line is. However, in the case of Crossby's original material the quotes are brief and cited which is fair (these could be changed to formal references but there's no real reason to). An image of Chybisa from the kingdom module technically, even if CGI gave permission for the website, needs to be renewed for print media (I believe). There's a beautiful poetic map (credited to Michael Feldman in a style I wish could replicate for all PC maps) and one of the inns (credited to Raphaël Tourde) which probably should get renewed permission for but these three can be dropped without substantially altering the document; otherwise, the maps are done by the usual gang and their stuff is so ubiquitous that box credit should work, although I imagine they are all easy to track down here on the forums. I believe the comparison composites (Chybisa overlaid on London, etc) are also covered by fair use but could easily be dropped. Everything else is your original research into the game, informed by ongoing forum topics to be sure but you even cite those. In short, I see no reason Lietchy can't link or transfer the htm docs as is and the usual credit and disclaimers should be enough for 90% of the document in a print article.

The only other thought is dropping St. Angryl's since you have a separate article on it. Oh, and the speed of currents scripts would have to be preserved in the htm docs.

Again, if anyone with In Design is willing I can turn over the raw doc. I am limited to Word 2003 and the free Nitro PDF creator and Paint Shop Pro from 1995. :cry:

On a personal note, it wasn't idle flattery. The old forums were often contentious and newbies sometimes felt they were shut out of contributing simply because they weren't playing it the 'way it was intended.' You were always encouraging and gracious. My concern was that the geocities site would eventually become inaccessible, and if I could manage to preserve the massively useful information you put a lot of effort into over a decade or more I would in some small way pay it forward.

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Thanks Sophia! 8)

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Again, if anyone with In Design is willing I can turn over the raw doc. I am limited to Word 2003 and the free Nitro PDF creator and Paint Shop Pro from 1995. :cry:

I can do that, Konnel. You get the docs in order and I'll convert them.

If I get a big enough tax return this year, I might even spring for an upgrade to the latest Adobe Creative Design Suite Standard (although I have weigh up whether it's really worth the $2200 it'll cost).

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:26 pm 
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It is now basically a done product, only proofing and verifying the tabulated data remain. I'd like to think I've done it justice. :D
For the time being, you can download it from the <file> menu here:
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I am posting it there first hoping to recruit a tiny bit of help, and trying to inspire someone - I would like to see 8 smallish, very specific graphics included but I am rubbish at graphic design (can't even draw a stick figure to scale) and I've run out of clip art (even if I could find suitable graphics). On pps 38-43 are examples of caravan travel on the various trails; what would really set it off, I think, is the inclusion of a small scale trade route map tracing the start and finish points, in the style of the HM3 bestiary maps, in the bottom right corner of the back page. On pps 57-54 are specific niviks, and sketches of each would look spiffy. I'm posting here before I go through the sticky on Gossip of the Scribes because, honestly, I don't know who on that list still active in the community (an awful lot seem to have not posted in a few years), but mostly because you are more invested in the final product. More explicitly, I'm asking for:

    small scale map tracing Genin's Trail from Thay to Tashal, bottom pg 38
    small scale map tracing Salt Route from Coranan to Tashal, botto-right pg 39
    small scale map tracing Coranan to Aleath, bottom-right pg 40
    small scale map tracing Bursyn to Tashal, bottom-right pg 41
    re-use Coranan to Tashal on pp 42 and 43
    sketch of the nivik Golden Curl, bottom-right pg 48
    sketch of the nivik Jonby, bottom-right pg 50
    sketch of the nivik Auburn Ringlet, bottom right pg 52
    sketch of the nivik Prydwn, bottom right pg 54

Mind you, I don't really know what I'm asking for in terms of time and work-load :oops: but if it's possible would be a nice touch. So please check it out and let me know what you think. Soon after I began I decided to approach it more as a sourcebook than a discrete article which hopefully will not turn anyone off. And definitely, thanks for everyone's encouragement.

Konnel

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zrayaan wrote:
On pps 38-43 are examples of caravan travel on the various trails; what would really set it off, I think, is the inclusion of a small scale trade route map tracing the start and finish points, in the style of the HM3 bestiary maps, in the bottom right corner of the back page.
    small scale map tracing Genin's Trail from Thay to Tashal, bottom pg 38
    small scale map tracing Salt Route from Coranan to Tashal, botto-right pg 39
    small scale map tracing Coranan to Aleath, bottom-right pg 40
    small scale map tracing Bursyn to Tashal, bottom-right pg 41
    re-use Coranan to Tashal on pp 42 and 43

I did versions of the trade maps like the one below. They show the routes you need plus the feeder routes to nearby towns. You can download all four of them here.

I did these simply by taking screen shots of Jeremy Baker's excellent layered map and editing them in Photoshop.


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bbailey wrote:
I did these simply by taking screen shots of Jeremy Baker's excellent layered map and editing them in Photoshop.


Brilliant! Just added them to my copy. I suppose if I haven't learned to just check his site there's little hope for me. :lol:
He is still going by Fastred?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:57 am 
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It is done! Thanks to all. :D
I am waiting to see if Sophia gets back to me with a final blessing and maybe a title (otherwise I'm titling it 'Chybisa: The Other Kingdom'; chime in if you have an idea); also awaiting permission for some art (which I don't think likely, and in any case worked around it). It has been taken off my google drive and I will send it off to Peter on Thursday.

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It is ready for download: Chybisa: Green and Pleasant Land
Counter says 15 downloads already, someone got the news before I did. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:01 am 
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Nice... very, very nice!

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jchokey wrote:
Nice... very, very nice!

Thanks. Sophia brought a few mistakes to my attention. :oops:
I think the gremlins in my Word app created a mistake for each correction I made. All minor, but one of the tables is missing a header:

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The table header on pg36 should divide the columns into 'Flat,' 'Hilly,' and 'Mountainous'


:!: And I dropped the ball on the tables. Just noticed there are inconsistencies that are only visible in high zoom, which isn't such a big deal if you only use the pdf but if you plan to print it will waste a lot of ink. I will get with Peter and try to update asap.

Very sorry - there's no excuse for sloppy work.

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I'd like to think I've done it justice. :D


If anything, you've greatly improved it. Thanks very much for putting it together, Konnel, and to bbailey for the maps, and, of course, to our host, Leitchy.

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Always a pleasure, Sophia. We miss you terribly. :)

The updated version is now available for your viewing pleasure.

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I remember sophia's page.
Most of this looks entirely new!

Many thanks! 8)

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A great piece of work.
Thank you all. =D>

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