A new piece of fanon is up at Lythia.com concerning the heraldry of major knights in Kaldor. Included are the sheriffs, constables/bailiffs of major settlements, and those holding lots of land and/or manors.

Available here on Lythia.com.

Enjoy!

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Very handy piece of fanon, well done and thanks.

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Nice work Matt! Thanks!

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Ok, let me get this straight. These guys come in, trash the place, slap Agrik & Larani around, and the most intelligible thing they said was "Zog!"?

Tip Top!!! I have Heraldry for King Harabor in my game!! How do we think he would incorporate his..ahem..newly acknowledged status in his heraldry??

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Glad you all like it.

Peter - if Harabor becomes king, he has three options.

1) He adopts the Elendsa arms, a field sable, an acorn slipped and leaved gold.

2) He uses his existing arms and they become the new royal arms. Supporters and a crown would be added to the achievement.

3) He marshals (most likely by quartering) his arms and the Elendsa arms. The Elendsa arms would be in the upper left and lower right quarters with Maldan's personal arms in the upper right and lower left.

Any of the three is possible, though I would use the first as it would convey legitimate succession to the throne to which Maldan is no doubt quite sensitive.

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Nice work.

Reading it, a question pops up: Coats of arms are great for identifing someone in proximity, but as flags and banners tend to get smaller downwards the social scale of nobles, groups of knights -or their servants - flying the same colours (like Bernan and Indama) could be confusing. Does the college of heralds offer solutions like a subregister for banners?

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Michael - visit Tales of Chybisa.com.

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

Most of these guys are knights bachelor, so they would fly a swallow-tailed pennon with some identifying personal mark, and normally not their heraldry. A crest (not shown in this set) might be used.

The knight bannerets in this group (the landed knights) would carry a banner of their arms into battle.

I don't think this question is directly addressed in Harnic terms, so you could adopt another system if you preferred. The above is what I use.

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Hi,
These are all really nice...but you have Conwan Elendsa's wrong if I am not mistaken. He should have the King's(ie. without the thorn) and the label of the heir, as, as of 720, he is the heir to the throne.
Caldeth

Also, I am curious, where did you get the dates for the Holy Oak Registries?
Caldeth

The label, being the earliest mark of cadency, was used to indicate the eldest son and therefore the heir. The trouble with using this for Sheriff Conwan is that he is a nephew of King Miginath, and whilst he would have the strongest claim to the throne, if it weren't for that oath, his claim is not the only one. Personally I would think marks of cadency would not be used by heirs to the throne in Kaldor at present.
The use of the rook, knight chess piece, to differentiate Sheriff Conwan Elensa is quite apt, I think!

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Brandh beat me to it.

Yes, ordinarily, as first in line through primogeniture, Conwan would have the three pointed label (in argent, in this case). However, due to the succession crisis, I decided not to prejudice anyone's campaign and go with a marshaled personal arms. The rook idea came from his picture in Kaldor v2.

The dates are my best estimate in some cases, canon in others, and inferences from some previous fanon. If you have reason to believe I'm way off on one or more, please let me know.

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I assume most new registry dates indicate the year in which a person is knighted and recieves the grant of arms. Traditionally, this would be at age 21, but in Conwan's case, it's 3 years early. What's your thinking in "graduating" him early?

One possibility I considered: Conwan's father Brandis died in 699. At that time, Conwan too young (12) to inheirit. The Etoss estate either passes into wardship, or Brandis' widow Erlene continues to manage the fief. Erlene dies in 707, so if Conwan were unable to inheirit until age 21, there would at least be a brief wardship from 707-708. If Conwan is knighted at age 18, this possibility is avoided and Erlene lives to see her son inheirit the Etoss estate.

BTW, when Brandis dies, Medrik becomes the eldest legitimate male heir of clan Elendsa (should Miginath die), and Conwan is no longer in direct line for the throne. Kinda makes sense that he might want to register his own arms.

Like one or two colours of their coat of arms and a small representation of its charge?

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Michael - visit Tales of Chybisa.com.

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

Only trouble is that Prince Merik died in 719TR and left no heirs. Thus I would assume that he would of had either a mark of cadency (a martlet in this case) on the Elendsa coat-of-arms or he would of bought a distinctive coat of arms for himself.

As I was working on Hutop I opted for the former since it was unlikely that Prince Merik would father a child. Details available on request. Regardless it is now a mute point...

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Sabin - that is just my thinking for Conwan. He was 'graduated early' for political and dynastic reasons.

Sir Melestin - yes, that would work, though other options are also available.

Gronks - I suspect no one in the Elendsa clan has a mark of cadency while Miginath lives. They'd need his permission, and I suspect he'd hate to clarify those waters he's worked so hard to muddy!

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In point of fact, as of 720TR, there is NO heir (that being the whole point of the KSC, after all). Miginath has not named an heir, therefore it's inappropriate for anyone to use the heir's mark of cadency.

I believe only the one named as Crown Prince could use that mark.

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Excellent work!

I could use one of these for Thardic Clans!

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The newly released Thardic Republic Classic from CGI contains significantly expanded heradry (by yours truly). Though not every clan is done - there are too many - it is more than the two originals. About 7 or 8 more IIRC.

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Hmmm ... Well that leads to the question of what happens when a new clanhead is elected. Does he have the right to remove his brothers usage of the clan's coat of arms? If so then he is effectively forcing them to find 5000d to buy a personal grant of arms and if not then when the nobles are on the battlefield, how would you clarify who is the Clanhead and who is just a relative?

I must admit that only the legitimate sons of Torastor could make this sort of claim. Mignath's children are all considered illegitimate and officially unacknowledged, a strange condition since most of Kaldor unofficially knows that they are the King's sons. Thus feudal customs prevents them from openly displaying their fathers device as their own.

This state of the affairs is why I decided on using the Martlet on Prince Merik's display. It shows royal lineage to one and all, while allowing the King to publically brush it off as "He's not even in the running, just an honorable mention of a distant fourth". When I publish this treatise, you will see how this plays in well with echo left by the Prince in Hutop.

Note that the major stumbling block with releasing the article at this time is the artwork. I have less than a scant skill in computer rendering and have regressed to the hand drawn methods of my youth. But I promise it will be soon, well a Harnic soon anyway.

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In my pHarn I don't actually use the clan system for nobles as this kind of uncertainty makes no sense to me. However, it is canon, and so I would argue that in a canonical sense, a new clanhead would cause a rejiggering of existing marks of cadency. However, I would not agree that a new clanhead would have the right to remove the arms themselves - a mark of cadency is not a permanent part of a heraldic achievement, but the putative brother here has as much right to bear the arms (properly differenced) as the clanhead. It could involve marshaling the arms as I have done here with Conwan. A king is different, and since Miginath has not recognized an heir, no one knows which mark of cadency to use.

If the art holdup to which you refer is for heraldry, PM me and we'll see what we can do.

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