Is it out yet? Or is columbia just doing some pre advertising.

Gothmog

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Ok, let me get this straight. These guys come in, trash the place, slap Agrik & Larani around, and the most intelligible thing they said was "Zog!"?

Wow! That looks great!

I'll place my order with CGI tomorrow!

-Mark

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It is not out yet. The Atlas is another item on CGI's Harn Gameplan.

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Ken Snellings
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And my pre-order makes 11.

I just brought it to 16.

My first reaction was : Great !! Very Great !!
My 2th reaction waw : Oh no, it's only game plan !
My 3rd : pre-order and wait for the long distance future when the Atlas will be released (how many years ?)

Nice to know, mine had taken it to 8. And I was thinking it'll never get to 500.

The main modules in Game Plan are increasing about 20 per month, it looks like. Figureing that many people will wait until its close before pre-ordering (I'm one), the first Game Plan Harn release will be in the summer of 2006.

The CD ought to be out in 2008.

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Are they really gonna publish it that soon?

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Of course one thing that will slow it is that it is window only. As CC2 runs sooooo slowly on my mac under VPC, I'm not sure I would ever be able to see all the maps - viewing time is about 15 -20 minutes a map!

I'm not sure I'll order it - but then by 2006 - 2008, I will likely have a mac that run VPC faster than a current PC.

rgds nick

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Have placed an order but can’t say I understand why a 100% electronic product needs to be produced in 500 copies before shipping. A much lower limit should be possible.

A very good idea, especially in reference to the CD, which can be burned on demand.

I still thing pdfs are a good way to go, too. For example, say, at $10 a download, and the poster maps sold hard-copy.

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Why would it cost so much to produce in this mannor?

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Because to produce the material, edit the material compile the material etc still takes man hours.

True you wouldn't need to sell the item for as much as a printed version, but you would still need to have produced a print copy. If you don't sell the print copy (the pdf formate) then you face the same problem as when you fail to sell a printed copy.

if people will pay for a printed copy but not a printable PDF file then making printed copies is the way to go.

Hope that made sense.

Grant has told me by mail he hopes to reach the 500 very quickly (within months). I hope this is not a dream !

Spot on, Algared! It takes just as long to produce a PDF version and a print version. In fact, it often takes a little longer because there's more buggerizing around to do to make a high quality PDF version.

To add to this, PDF files of the required quality to produce printable products are very large; in the order of 15Mb for a 20pp module (it's those damn maps!). If you have these files on a web site ready for downloading, then you have to pay for the space used. If you don't, you still have to pay for the transmission costs (and the storage costs, but these are smaller, overall). Internet credit card sales also cost a chunk in fees (a little moreso than normal credit card transactions), and finally, there's the lost future sales due to casual piracy and copyright violation by file sharing technologies, such as Kazaa.

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So how are they getting arround these problems with Kanday?

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The Kanday module of the Interactive Atlas of Harn and the Kanday KINGDOM module are two different things.

The item on the gameplan right now is the Atlas. I imagine the Kingdom Module will be a printed only product.

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Ken Snellings
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All of which, I argue, is secondary to this:

32 page module, hardcopy: $15.99
32 page module, PDF: $7.99
Cost to print 32 pages: way less than $8.00

CGI simply makes more money per unit selling hardcopies.

But, I still think that the Harn regional module should be PDF'd and strewn liberally about the Internet in the same manner as Robert Shaw threw bloody meat into the ocean in Jaws.

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Now putting HârnWorld on the web for free sounds terrific! Didn't CGI some time in the past offer a special deal for HârnWorld? What was that? Didn't one only have to pay for shipping or something similar?

PDF it and distribute it on the internet - there will be quite some sites who'd host it and in my personal experience, people having read HârnWorld will want to GM in it. And then they want the Kingdom modules.

So I think if CGI some day has finished the Kingdom modules and made them ready for print, they should consider an advertising like the above.

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Deadlands and Ars Magica 4th Ed are avalible as free pdfs. On RPG.Net it was discussed, and the publishers revealed that after reading the pdfs, many players bought the hard copy as well, not to mention the modules.

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