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Please post here when you begin a new illustration so I can update the list. (Art underway is in bold.)

1. Lerenil from the river
Size: Half-page illustration
Description: A view of the town and keep rising on the bluff above the town. A river barge and maybe a Nivik are docked at the quays, loading cargo (horses for the barge, crates and secured pottery for the Nivik). I kind of like the look of the gatehouse tower roofs on the enclosed Heidelberg reference picture; do you think this would be out of place as the look of the roof of Caer Lerenil’s tower? (It was built centuries ago by dwarves and elves.)
Reference:
• Regional map of Lerenil. For layout of town and hill levels (each line represents 10 feet).
• Local map of Caer Lerenil. For external details visible from river.
• Image of Heidelberg. Provided as a general guideline; Lerenil is not nearly this grand, nor is the keep on a hill that large. (The keep is roughly 50 feet above river level, so it might be close.) You might want to get closer to the town than this as well, since you don’t need to frame a bridge, a gatehouse and the castle like this artist did.
• Medieval boats to serve as inspiration: www2.rgzm.de/scripts/dbWeb/dbwebc.dll/Wreck?linkxresults/obj/Wreck/col/Culture/dat/Slavonic%3B%20Medieval
• See "Pilots Almanac" for pics of a Nivik.

2. Baron Salagys’ Grand Plans
Size: Quarter-page illustration
Description: Baron Salagys and Sir Rithalyr stand on the docks, a scroll unfurled between them. On the scroll are plans for a bridge spanning the river from the Lerenil quays to the other side. Rithalyr is pointing to the far shore as Salagys ponders the corresponding place on the plan. They are dressed simply but well, in practical but rich clothing.
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• If you’d like real people to use as a basis for Salagys and Rithalyr, how about Donald (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000661/photogallery) and Kiefer Sutherland (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000662/photogallery) when they were the ages of our NPCs? (for Donald that’s the late 70s: see “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”, “Animal House”; for Kiefer it’s the mid-80s: “Stand by Me” and “Lost Boys”).
• You might use the Heidelberg reference picture as the bridge design.

3. Henrico (or another town member) and Old Wat
Size: Quarter-page illustration
Description: The two men are seated in the River’s End common room. Wat is telling Henrico tales of the wilds over tankards of ale. Henrico is interested but trying to avoid Wat’s breath and spittle. Wat is excited. Their exact appearance and dress are up to you. (Henrico should look Persian or Italian, with dark hair and eyes; perhaps dressed in a Byzantine style?)
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• The two men are described in “Folk of the Town.”
• Local map of the River’s End.
• Common room details can be patterned after photos in this pic: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/the ... Lane02.jpg

4. Baroness Laowyn (Juha)
Size: Quarter-page illustration
Description: Laowyn, needle in hand and tapestry in lap, gazes past us to someone behind us. She is seated in an ornate chair in Caer Lerenil’s gallery (Second floor, #8). She is wearing very expensive (but not Court formal) robes. Behind her is a tall narrow window (arrow slit) (if you include a background).
Reference:
• Laowyn is a strong but lovely woman. Perhaps someone like Sigourney Weaver ("Aliens" era) or Geena Davis ("Cutthroat Island")?
• Caer Lerenil local map, second floor


5. Caer Lerenil
Size: Half-page illustration
Description: A view of the keep. Perhaps the best angle is from the northeast on the region map; this angle takes in the square keep tower and the keep itself, with the Goslin Tower rising behind. An alternate view is from the gatehouse.
Reference:
• Caer Lerenil local maps
• Regional map of Lerenil.
• Illo on Dunir 9. As an example.

6. Uthr’s Pottery
Size: Half-page illustration
Description: A perspective view of the row of kilns, showing the surrounding knee- or waist-high windbreak wall and the "pole-barn" style roof that shelters them. Workers are removing fired pots (these pots are large, and come up to a man’s waist) from the kilns as Uthr looks on (check with Sophia to see if they need to destroy the roof to get the pots out).
Reference:
• See Uthr’s Pottery for description of Uthr and his workers. You can make them look any way you like to the extent they are not described.
• Pottery local map, area 5.
• Source pics from Sophia (roof_kiln_barn.jpg; kiln.jpg, and kiln3.jpg). The roof pic can serve as a guide for the roof to the tempering pit (which is in a "pole barn"). The two kiln pics show what the kilns inside look like (the irregular squares on the map to either side of the kilns is the indented area the man in the figure is crouching in. Make the tops of the kilns "flat" curves rather than hemispherical domes.

7. Portrait of Keffer
Size: Quarter-page illustration
Description: A simple character picture of Keffer. Perhaps he’s looking pleased with himself, perhaps he’s scowling (especially if you add Mutel to the picture).
Reference:
• “River’s End Inn” section. Keffer looks remarkably like John Cleese in his Fawlty Towers days (with allowances for different hair and beard styles). Bonus if you want to include Mutel, who looks remarkably like Manuel.
• Local map of the River’s End Inn if you wish to include a background, and http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/the ... Lane02.jpg

8. River’s End Inn
Size: Half-page illustration
Description: An external picture of the inn, from street. Setting and situation your choice. (Perhaps Keffer is ushering guests inside as Mutel rings bell to attract guests.)
Reference:
• Local map of the River’s End Inn.
• Regional Lerenil map
• See this pic (http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/the ... Lane02.jpg) for architectural suggestions. Note especially “north side” pic for ideas on surface textures, roof tiles, and side buildings.

8. Portrait of Shamus (Juha)
Size: Quarter-page illustration
Description: Shamus looks eager to please, but there’s something disturbing about the shadows behind him (or something; kick around some ideas to make him both nondescript and sinister.
Reference:
• “Seamens’ Hostel” section and local map.

9. Seamens’ Hostel (Juha)
Size: Half-page illustration
Description: An external picture of the hostel, perhaps from the courtyard. Setting and situation your choice.
Reference:
• Local map of the Seamens’ Hostel.
• Regional Lerenil map
• This pdf (http://accessibility.english-heritage.o ... 0House.pdf) offers ideas on architecture and construction.

10. Other Portraits
It would be splendid to get an array of simple character pics of various NPCs, either as line-ups grouped by heading (see Dunir 15), or individually. Here it’s artist’s choice! Another pic of the baron might be good, since he's central to the article.
a. Portrait of Henrico (Juha)
b. Portrait of Leofas (Juha)
b. Portrait of Hanseth (Juha)


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Just ran across this painting today. Not that it really fits anywhere, but I like it as a general reference. Nice cloak.

http://www.jaybrowngallery.com/images/j ... 0celts.jpg

Harn art all seems to be set in summer, doesn't it? (Well, except for Dead of Winter... never mind.)


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Paul Sudlow wrote:
Nice cloak.


Oh, she didn't travel there by foot.

FYI: The old HISTORY OF COSTUME by Braun & Schneider (c.1861-1880) is online at http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/history.html.

The book is also available in print by Dover. It is black-and-white, the coloring is done afterwards and is kind of dodgy anyway.

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Nice resource.

BTW, since Juha is already doing a portrait of Henrico, we might use illustration 3 to illustrate another town member with Wat, such as one of the priests or council members who doesn't already have an illustration assigned. Assuming nobody has started this illo yet.


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I had suggested selecting illos in groups (one structure and 2 portraits).

Never mind that. Upon reflection, since we have a more dynamic arrangement now than e-mail would have provided, it's probably easier for the artists to select assignments from this list until nobody wants to do any more. :)

Just let me know when you start one, because we might have another artist coming on board, and I'd like to know what still needs to be done.


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Paul Sudlow wrote:
I had suggested selecting illos in groups (one structure and 2 portraits).


Oh, I forgot to ask about that. You said "... again half structure and half vignette". My English fails me. What did you mean by structure and vignette?

I am almost done with pencils for Seamans' Hostel. The shi... the out-house is not visible. By looking at the map, the building to the south is kind of sticking out, so I figured it would block the back-corner of the yard (the vertical line stands for the corner of the building). Apparently it will cast a shadow on the yard as well. It won't show much, but depending on the time of the day, there will be a shadow on the street.

Are the houses further down the street just any ol' houses or something in particular. I won't detail them, but maybe they'll have a wee bit of outline. What is the building next to Lerenil market?

I have also started on the portrait of Shamus. Since he is leading against the gate in the milieu picture, I thought a head shot would be enough. It is not a sketch anymore, but I need to fix the folds on the hood a bit. He is a weasel.

Did I understand it correctly: the River's End is of stone, both floors?

http://www.helsinki.fi/~jamakkon/gallery/illustrations/index.html

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And that Henrico thing was just a sketch of his oiled beard. But, sure, I can do a portrait and then Wat is spitting on someone else.

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I'll be able to answer your questions when I get home and consult my notes.

If the Henrico was just an exploratory sketch rather than a pencil for a finished piece, please disregard my comment, and the original Henrico/Wat combination is fine.

RE structure/vignette: that was just to say that it might work out best in terms of balance that each artist commit to one drawing of a building and two portraits before taking on another illustration. But as long as we get a good mix of illustrations, we don't need to do this, as I said above.


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I am almost done with pencils for Seamans' Hostel. The shi... the out-house is not visible. By looking at the map, the building to the south is kind of sticking out, so I figured it would block the back-corner of the yard (the vertical line stands for the corner of the building). Apparently it will cast a shadow on the yard as well. It won't show much, but depending on the time of the day, there will be a shadow on the street.

Looks great. I figured you'd have to crop the picture in the end!

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Are the houses further down the street just any ol' houses or something in particular. I won't detail them, but maybe they'll have a wee bit of outline. What is the building next to Lerenil market?

The square end building across the street is the chandler. If you're talking about the long building across the market near the river, that isn't defined, but it's probably a warehouse. Otherwise the buildings nearby aren't defined.

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I have also started on the portrait of Shamus. Since he is leading against the gate in the milieu picture, I thought a head shot would be enough. It is not a sketch anymore, but I need to fix the folds on the hood a bit. He is a weasel.

He looks good. Kind of a Jack Nicholson vibe.

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Did I understand it correctly: the River's End is of stone, both floors?

Yes. The outer walls are stone both floors. It wasn't a poor inn until recently ... this was the king's home barony!


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There is a sketch of Leofas the priest at http://www.helsinki.fi/~jamakkon/gallery/illustrations/index.html

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Nice, but one point I'd like to make; nowhere in canon that I recall does it mention tobacco, or any other material for smoking (the herb fletherane is burned in fires and the smoke is inhaled, but that's a bit different to a pipe). Your picture has the priest smoking; I recommend against that. That's not to say he can't have anything in his mouth, like a paint brush or quill, or something else I haven't thought of.

Of course, if my memory is faulty, and there IS an official source for smoking, then I stand corrected, and the picture is absolutely fine. :D

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Your picture has the priest smoking; I recommend against that.


Ok, I took a long shot based on... well, Tolkien. :oops: :D I guess having people goblets in their hands gives too strong a signal of drinking.

I have to think the Larani aspect of it. Maybe he'll have a prayer book, a relic or something in his hand.

Good point, anyway.

I wish there was more time. Larani and Peoni costumes and architecture have not been developed that much anywhere, not with too many (low) fantasy motifs... but Hârn Illustrated is another project :D

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You could give him a big chicken leg to hold, just like Henry VIII! :D


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We have a new artist on board: Ilkka Leskelä. You've already seen his work.

Welcome aboard, Ilkka!


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Of course, if my memory is faulty, and there IS an official source for smoking, then I stand corrected, and the picture is absolutely fine. :D
I'm also just as happy to make Hârn smoke-free but, while nowhere is there mention of tobacco, the smoking pipe has been available from the potter since the hoary days of HM1's pricelist.

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I'm also just as happy to make Hârn smoke-free but, while nowhere is there mention of tobacco, the smoking pipe has been available from the potter since the hoary days of HM1's pricelist.


Oh, this is getting interesting. :twisted:

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Good catch, Sophia. Is this a topic for the main list? Surely it's been debated before.


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The inks of Seamans are now done. I'll give it another careful look tomorrow, and maybe work on the shadows.

I'll finish the portrait of Shamus next.

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The seamens' hostel looks great.

My only critique is that the anchor gets lost against the window, but that's a minor nit.


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Paul Sudlow wrote:
Good catch, Sophia. Is this a topic for the main list? Surely it's been debated before.

See the discussion at: http://www.harnforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1372

However, the mentioning of pipe-weed is in Pepper & Spice, the adventure written to accompany Trobridge v2, is the only place in official canon that I'm aware of, and I fought vigorously to get rid of it at the time. So I regard this as an aberration which should be ignored.

Not mentioning pipweed, and not showing pipes doesn't mean a GM can't add it if they choose.

Having said that, Sophia is right, and even in the latest HarnWorld, the price list includes "PIPE/smoking.....2d (Potter)". So maybe we should start mentioning it more. I don't like it, but it *is* there.

I'll leave it to the Project Leader himself, I think. :)

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I vote for no pipe; let Lerenil not stir Great Harn Debates. Perhaps a book or relic instead, as Juha suggests.

If I were feeling particularly naughty, the feud between the inkeeper and the miller would be instead between the two priests—and at the root of it would a great holy work which both local churches cooperated in creating but over which both now claim exclusive credit. With neither side able to summon sufficient political clout to decisively resolve the matter, the matter festers, slowly breaking the community down. It would all end in a great bonfire of the vanities, with no one the richer. Or both camps would go on ignoring the other. :twisted:

But I didn't go that route, for which we are all thankful. Let Lerenil not stir Great Harn Debates.


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I have finished Shamus and the Seaman's Hostel. I have not scanned them yet. Should I start flooding the FTP server?

At http://www.helsinki.fi/~jamakkon/gallery/illustrations/index.html there is now Leofas of Bothe. The problem was, the original did not fit my flat-bed scanner, so I have to scan it in two pieces. Now, the back does not show, and Leofas seems in a bit awkward position. Now that I look at it, I might have to work on the face a bit more. I made him a bit younger than in the sketch, and maybe a bit more easy to approach.

There is also a sketch of what I think to be Sir Hanseth.

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Cool! I like the Norman haircuts. And the detailing on the stole.


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The final versions of Seaman's Hostel, Shamus and Leofas (tiff at 600dpi) have been download to the FTP-server.

I'm currently working on Sir Hanseth.

Next, I will start on the portrait of Baroness Laowyn.

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Is Ilkka Leskelä onboard here yet? Ilkka, do you have any assignment preferences? How about you, Matthias?


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